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CBS/AP June 23, 2013, 10:47 AM

Hong Kong: Edward Snowden has left for third country

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Updated 10:35 a.m. ET
HONG KONG A former National Security Agency contractor wanted by the United States for revealing highly classified surveillance programs was allowed to leave for a "third country" because a U.S. extradition request did not fully comply with Hong Kong law, the territory's government said Sunday.

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Reporter Kevin O'Flynn told host Bob Schieffer on CBS' "Face the Nation" that Snowden landed in Moscow at around 9:15 a.m. ET. While his current whereabouts are unknown, most reports indicate he will not stay in Moscow, but will instead continue to another destination on Monday. Diplomats from at least two South American nations mentioned as possible final destinations for Snowden - Ecuador and Venezuela - were seen at the airport, although it's unclear whether they had any contact with Snowden.

Hong Kong's government did not identify his destination. A spokesman for Russian President Vladimir Putin said he was unaware of Snowden's whereabouts or travel plans.

Snowden, who has been in hiding in Hong Kong for several weeks since he revealed information on the highly classified spy programs, has talked of seeking asylum in Iceland.
However, both Russia's ITAR-Tass news agency and Reuters cited an unidentified Aeroflot official as saying Snowden would fly from Moscow to Cuba on Monday and then on to Caracas, Venezuela. Others have mentioned Ecuador as a possible final destination.

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Interpol said there is no public Red Notice -- an international alert that an individual is wanted for arrest by an Interpol member country -- at the moment for Snowden.

A U.S. Department of Justice spokesperson, Nanda Chitre, told CBS News they had been informed Snowden had left Hong Kong.

"We will continue to discuss this matter with Hong Kong and pursue relevant law enforcement cooperation with other countries where Mr. Snowden may be attempting to travel," Chindre said.
The White House itself has not commented yet on Snowden's departure, which came a day after the United States made a formal request for his extradition and gave a pointed warning to Hong Kong against delaying the process of returning him to face trial in the U.S.

The Hong Kong government said in a statement that Snowden left "on his own accord for a third country through a lawful and normal channel."

It acknowledged the U.S. extradition request, but said U.S. documentation did not "fully comply with the legal requirements under Hong Kong law." It said additional information was requested from Washington, but since the Hong Kong government "has yet to have sufficient information to process the request for provisional warrant of arrest, there is no legal basis to restrict Mr. Snowden from leaving Hong Kong."

The statement said Hong Kong had informed the U.S. of Snowden's departure. It added that it wanted more information about alleged hacking of computer systems in Hong Kong by U.S. government agencies which Snowden had revealed.

The anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks took credit for helping Snowden leave Hong Kong, saying in a statement: "He is bound for a democratic nation via a safe route for the purposes of asylum, and is being escorted by diplomats and legal advisors from WikiLeaks."

WikiLeaks said Snowden asked for their help because of their expertise and experience.

Former Spanish judge Mr. Baltasar Garzon, legal director of Wikileaks and lawyer for Julian Assange is quoted as saying: "The WikiLeaks legal team and I are interested in preserving Mr Snowden's rights and protecting him as a person."

Snowden's departure eliminates a possible fight between Washington and Beijing at a time when China is trying to deflect U.S. accusations that it carries out extensive surveillance of American government and commercial operations. Hong Kong, a former British colony, has a high degree of autonomy and is granted rights and freedoms not seen on mainland China, but under the city's mini constitution Beijing is allowed to intervene in matters involving defense and diplomatic affairs.

Hong Kong has an extradition treaty with the U.S., but the document has some exceptions, including for crimes deemed political.

The Obama administration on Saturday warned Hong Kong against delaying Snowden's extradition, with White House national security adviser Tom Donilon saying in an interview with CBS News, "Hong Kong has been a historically good partner of the United States in law enforcement matters, and we expect them to comply with the treaty in this case."

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Snowden's departure came as the South China Morning Post released new allegations from Snowden that U.S. hacking targets in China included the nation's cellphone companies and two universities hosting extensive Internet traffic hubs.

He told the newspaper that "the NSA does all kinds of things like hack Chinese cellphone companies to steal all of your SMS data." It added that Snowden said he had documents to support the hacking allegations, but the report did not identify the documents. It said he spoke to the newspaper in a June 12 interview.

With a population of more than 1.3 billion, China has massive cellphone companies. China Mobile is the world's largest mobile network carrier with 735 million subscribers, followed by China Unicom with 258 million users and China Telecom with 172 million users.

Snowden said Tsinghua University in Beijing and Chinese University in Hong Kong, home of some of the country's major Internet traffic hubs, were targets of extensive hacking by U.S. spies this year. He said the NSA was focusing on so-called "network backbones" in China, through which enormous amounts of Internet data passes.

The Chinese government has not commented on the extradition request and Snowden's departure, but its state-run media have used Snowden's allegations to poke back at Washington after the U.S. had spent the past several months pressuring China on its international spying operations.

A commentary published Sunday by the official Xinhua News Agency said Snowden's disclosures of U.S. spying activities in China have "put Washington in a really awkward situation."
"Washington should come clean about its record first. It owes ... an explanation to China and other countries it has allegedly spied on," it said. "It has to share with the world the range, extent and intent of its clandestine hacking programs."
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Members of Congress in both parties have accused Snowden of treason and demanded he be held to account for his role in leaking classified programs, which have stirred a contentious debate about whether the U.S. government has too much surveillance authority.

In reaction to the government's decision to charge Snowden, Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., said in a statement, "I've always thought this was a treasonous act. Apparently so does the U.S. Department of Justice."

A one-page criminal complaint unsealed Friday in federal court in Alexandria, Va., said Snowden engaged in unauthorized communication of national defense information and willful communication of classified communications intelligence information. Both are charges under the Espionage Act. Snowden also is charged with theft of government property. All three crimes carry a maximum 10-year prison penalty.

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joebiglow says:
NSA has been spying on USA - stealing information for commercial advantage, insider trading, and political blackmail.

NSA is the enemy of USA.

Every NSA official, employee, and contractor must be arrested and tried for conspiracy to commit espionage, blackmail, insider trading, treason, and of course racketeering.

They can release the marijuana users to make room in the prisons for the real crooks.
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111TRIGLYCERRASMUSNEWS999 replies:
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The entire US government is the enemy of the people - and the world.
joebiglow replies:
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Sadly, you are probably correct.
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sallymander5ply says:
For the life of me i don't know what all the fuss is about over Mr. Snowden telling us all about the government spying on us. I am a 65 yr old women and I have known this for a long time. It was on TV a couple of years ago. They even showed the satalite dishes and told about how many people it took to sort through all the cell phone and internet information. I always told my friends that if you don't believe me just say something about blowing up the white house and see how fast you have agents at your door step. Now 2 yrs latter it is this big national secret. Ya sure, I guess not too many people watch educational TV. Of course they don't go over your whole conversation to your BFFs but they look for key words like bomb and white house. There are not enough people in the entire US to read everyones email or phone transcript. I bet they could write a book though. If you ask me it sounds like a very tedious job. How can the arrest a person for telling us all what we could have seen on TV?
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peter_out says:
Obama wants Snowden on TV answering the question, "Why did you tell the American people on us?"
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peter_out replies:
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Wikileaks, Hong Kong, Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, each gets a copy of Snowden's hard drive in exchange for airfare.
peter_out replies:
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During all this what is Snowden's pole dancer doing?
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officerjoe says:
RE: NSA " It was perfectly legal". So what? This was the defence at the Nuremberg trials.Everything they did was perfectly legal under German law.
For less extreme examples closer to home I might point out that slavery was perfectly legal up until 1865,That in 1941 incarcerating Japanese Americans
was perfectly legal and up until the 1970's one could be arrested because of his sexual orientation under perfectly penal statutes.The real question is whether this law violates the Constitution. Some of you have missed the important fact here. As MR Greenwald points out the ACLU was prevented from having the Supreme Court decide this because the case involves classified documents. RE;He took an oath of secrecy. My comment is this. The Senators and Congressmen privy to this information took an oath to we the people that they would protect and defend our Constitution. One of them should have took this oath seriously and broke this news to us but they didn't have the guts.Re:"HE(Snowden) should have stayed and gone to jail" How ludicrous. This man owes us nothing. He gave up his job and family to bring this out into the open and now he should allow himself to be thrown in jail for life so that we will think better of him and then forget completely about him a year later.Re: "he's hiding in Communist Countries." Well countries like Great Britain have refused him entry, so his options are limited.AS FAR AS Communist goes Honk Kong never had nor do they have a Communist economy.Russia's Communist Government fell in the nineteen eighties and the CP is outlawed in Russia while legal in the US.
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TimeToEvolve says:
I love it, watching the all powerful spies squirming and sweating while they are exposed for the primitive low lives they are.

Snowden is yet another hero like Bradley Manning and Danile Ellsberg. Keep going Snowden, keep 'em guessing.
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obwan-222 says:
[And after making use of Snowden for publicity reason and to raise a middle finger against the US, none of these countries will trust Snowden in the end. They will monitor very closely, leaving him with no real freedom!]

Close but not quite.

After they are through using him the Cuban police will knock on his door one day and tell him that he is being traded to the US for some Cuban/Russian/Chinese spies.
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rltjs replies:
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He suits well civil-rightist's interest. They'll help him. Maybe China might trade him, Hongkong cannot trust that for him so they let him go.

What has Putin to do with that except maybe to chuckle before he goes to bed like thanks God it happened to Washington and not to Moscow.
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rltjs says:
Your phone is a radio transmitter-receiver. Spies been snooping in there. People knew that long before Mr Snowden has said things. Nothing is new.

On-line personal computers can be hacked or spied. So if you have anything to hide don't keep it there. People knew that long before Mr Snowden has said anything. Nothing is new.

All governments snoop around. People knew that long ago. But if your name been in there and you are not an enemy of the state, well, that's different.
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rltjs replies:
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Others snooping into your PC, is a crime if you are covered by anti-cyber crime law. But you need proof. Mr Snowden seems to be talking something near that.
Lindag20 replies:
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Since anyone with a decent scanner that's within a couple of miles of you can listen to your phone calls, I'd be more worried about my NEIGHBORS listening to me than the government who probably isn't all that interested in my everyday life.
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DrSam800 says:
DOES ANYONE NOTICE THE BLATANT HYPOCRISY HERE?

Snowden says he is acting on principle and was appalled by US monitoring of its citizens and spying abroad. But then he runs to countries that are all communist and spy on their people and other countries much more intensely--Hong Gong, Russia, Venezuela, Cuba. These are not Open Societies by any definition. Amazing!

Has Snowden even considered how these countries treat their own traitors. Simply, there would be no due process. The traitor will simply disappear! And after making use of Snowden for publicity reason and to raise a middle finger against the US, none of these countries will trust Snowden in the end. They will monitor very closely, leaving him with no real freedom!

GREENWALD SEEKING GLORY AND NOTICE.

THIS MISGUIDED YOUNGMAN MIGHT HAVE BEEN USED BY THE LIKES OF GREENWALD OF THE GUARDIAN FOR THEIR OWN GLORY. Now their defence of his betrayal of his country has become shrill and nonsensical. They are implying that any one who has access can reveal classified information and other secrets at will. Without any consequences? Amazing! You don't run a superpower that way and Americans should not expect to have total safety in an unsafe and violent world without some price on privacy! They want it all--safety and privacy. When something goes wrong, they blame whoever is running the government. That is not how things work--you don't have safety even with your telephone or internet company or with companies trailing your every move and preferences on the internet.
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Jaylah54200 says:
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What illegitimate act are you referring to? Collecting metadata on phone calls? The legality of that was established well before 9/11. It wasn't done on the same scale, but it was done for huge swaths of public phones in Baltimore in the 90s. And just like Prism, it was authorized by judges. You may disagree with it, but it's 100% legal. That's how our country works. An organization like a police department or the NSA or CIA goes to judge and says, we want to put taps on xyz. If a judge gives them the warrant, it's legal.

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The Forth Amendment to the US Constitution would beg to differ with you on that point.
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rltjs replies:
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I imagine it works something like its all there sleeping until your name becomes controversial. Then police seeks authority to recall them all to get what they need. That's the principle and the theoretical side of it.

I know of a case where government produced a recorded conversation that has no prior authority to secure.
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Jaylah54200 says:
I don't suppose the Emperor was too happy with the little boy that had the guts to say what he knew (the emperor didn't have any clothes on) either.

For those who complain that Snowden should have used his chain of command to blow the whistle, he was well aware that at least three people had already done so in the past. They all three lost their jobs and had their lives ruined. Had he done the same, his crime would have been stupidity.

Where Snowden went wrong was not whistle-blowing about the illegal data-mining the US was doing, but in going further and claiming the US was hacking China and other countries. Activities which Snowden had no first-hand knowledge about.

Had he not taken things that much farther, a lot more people in this country would consider him a hero, not a traitor.

As I've said before, there's a well-known biological truism that when you put a frog in boiling water, he attempts to escape. But when you put a frog in room-temperature water and then slowly bring the water to boiling, the frog stays until it's cooked.

For those of you that have seen or read George Orwell's "1984", do you think that the "Big Brother" had become that way overnight? Or do you think that the "government" became more and more intrusive over time until it reached that point?

We're the frogs and our "government" has us over a medium-low flame right now. If you think Snowden was a "traitor" for blowing the whistle -- however he had to do it -- you'll deserve the water when it boils.
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